In this webinar we covered the ugly reality of the loss of SBS Standard and the bright future for small business IT with Windows Essentials 2012. There were 235 attendees of this live webinar which also included a live demo of what the Exchange integration looks like. The Q&A from the meeting both live and written was also quite lively.
This is a time of great transition for small business IT and as we said in the meeting, we believe that we will all be stronger as a result. Yes it will take a lot of work to get that to that point but the efforts will be rewarded. Look for Third Tier to provide additional webinars on this topic as well as training opportunities.
Question: hi there…good luck!
Answer: Thanks!. I’m going to promote anyone who’d like to say something to presenter, so if you have mic hook it up.
Question: is there video?
Answer: Right now just slide deck – you really want to see my sweaty face on a web cam?
Question: They “essentially” can’t get away from using the name.
Question: for us the 26 to 75 user is the sweet spot. We do work with some smaller – but, are working to make that move into the next level of clients.
Answer: There’s a thing called the “transmorg” that will allow you to go past 25 and get support for backup for 75 devices. hang loose we’ll talk about this
Question: I think that SBS 2011 is not a dead end product, it’s a product with 7 years of support included. You can’t buy a 2009 BMW new today. It’s not a bad car if you want it.
Answer: I would say buy a MINI but yeah
Question: We loose RDS with the SA offering, correct?
Answer: Yes you lose RWA/RDS. Needless to say I’m pushing back and asking about that (Susan)
Question: If Server 2008 R2 gets another service pack, they may extend the support window
Answer: True the support is 24 months AFTER the final service pack (Susan)
Question: Any idea of how soon these SA benefits will be available?
Answer: I’m anticipating it week? two weeks after RTM when technet/msdn gets Server 2012 (Susan)
Question: agreed…better mileage…but for people who are already set to sell SBS 2011 the next 9 months until Windows 2012 and exchange appear in new form….it’s the newest proven product you can sell.
Question: any news on the per processor price?
Answer: Brian is talking on this now – dual quad core = two processors
Question: hearing lots of feedback / distortion. maybe ask people to mute their mics unless they are asking a question
Answer: yup she did
Question: and SBS 2011 runs what ISV have available to support today, and they haven’t got that option on Windows 2012 yet.
Answer: Exactly try running QB on 2012 (Susan)
Question: Amy, I can go thru per-processor if you want as I know (as far as anyone can) what the changes are.
Answer: Please speak up
Question: you think i didn’t know i was chatting to susan?
Answer: What the MINI reference didn’t give it away?
Question: thanks – I understand the “per processor” – was more interested in the actual dollar value attached. No need to answer in the con-call – was curious if any of you knew the dollar value attached.
Question: How are dual socket servers that have SBS w/ SA upgraded to 2012? If you only get a single server license with a single processor license, I come up short on licenses.
Answer: Hilton is answering now –
Question: 2 proc only
Answer: got it
Question: They still have some work to do on Storage Spaces too, volumes drop out under file copy load in the RC. There is a big thread about it on the Win Server 2012 technet forum.
Answer: Look at the bright side, really big customers with really big voices will ge it fixed :-) (Susan)
Question: call Storage Spaces — Drive Extender Version 3. Only difference is that it is in the base OS. Also, don’t forget that the other major feature is that you can support through the admin an on premise exchange server, hosted exchange server or o365 server.
Answer: Yup will talk about
Question: sounds like “automagically”
Answer: Yeah they stole our wizards (Susan)
Question: Will a recording of this meeting be emailed to attendees?
Answer: Yup and posted on the www.thirdtier blog
Question: Lost audio!!!
Answer: try the audio set up wizard
Question: Can I join servers to the Essentails server WITHOUT transmog? In other words, is Essentials still a normal domain controller?
Answer: Yes it is a normal domain controller but you’ll need to purchase cals for any additional servers since there are no cals with essentials.
Question: So in essentails 2012 did they do away with the launchpad?
Answer: Unfortunately no, the launch pad lives
Question: I’m not seeing anything inside the Essentials window.
Answer: There it is. THere’s nothing in the main screen. Black is how it is.
Question: so far the biggest thing I hear we are losing by SBS going away is … pricing. No functionality has been lost!
Answer: You’re also losing pre-built for you. So pricing plus labor.
Question: It would be nice if you could just install exchange 15 on essentials but from what I’m told by a friend within MS on the exchange team, it’s not supported on a domain controller. He also said it is getting BIGGER on resources, lots of RAM needed. He told me to get 48GB – 64GB boxes even for my clients with only 30 – 50 users.
Answer: I haven’t heard any requirements for Exchange yet. But yes nothing should really be installed on the Essentials server.
Question: …but labor is billable! ;-)
Answer: Yes, just more explanation to your clients is all.
Question: Is it acceptable to put all of the Exchange Server roles on one box?
Answer: Yes, it still supports a single server install
Question: Give Jeff and Karl a couple of weeks .. they will have it all documented for us!
Answer: :-) Okay Jeff the gaunlet has been thrown
Question: At long last I have ARRIVED.
Question: Everyone should go to channel9 and get the TechEd 2012 videos…tons of great content on 2012, hyperv, and all the new stuff. really technical stuff, FREE!
Answer: Good point!
Question: Audio lost !!
Answer: Try going through the audio wizard?
Question: Does win 2012 std include that essentials “wizard” console aka sbs console? or is that conosle ONLY on Essentials?
Answer: the console I demo’d is only on Essentails
Question: Technet Jump start is good too: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/video/windows-server-2012-jump-start-01-core-hyper-v.aspx
Question: :-) thank you!
Answer: I know, we’ll help each other
Question: So hosted 3rd party Exchange (NOT Office 365) is supported/integrated on 2012 Essentials?
Answer: No integration but it is supported
Question: I think Brian tried to block me. . . :( <– JamesNT
Answer: He wouldn’t do that to you, James :)
Question: Do you prefer HyperV over VMWare if so why?
Answer: Brian is answering on the call – free licensing from Microsoft
Question: For those of us who came from enterprise / big business … doing those functions of adding DNS/DHCP/Patch management these things are old hat. For me…doing SBS was weird and difficult to figure out at first. Back then – I thought “who in the world would put all that on one server…”
Answer: I thought so too, but it’s been a long time and we get spoiled.
Question: any plans for training items for migrations from SBS 2003 to Essentials 2012
Answer: I believe that SBSMigration.com has plans for such an offering.
Question: is 2012 server essentials a dc out of the box or can it be added to a existinging
Answer: It is a DC. It does assume that it is the first Dc in your domain.
Question: When I throw the Gauntlet, I intend to spell it correctly. (i think)
Answer: :-) got me there (susan)
Question: For those who want to use Exchange on premise, it is viable and cost effective to use Exchange 2010 standard with Essentials? Some people just don’t like the damn cloud. And I know Brian would never block me – we go way back :)
Answer: We don’t know the cost yet.
Question: Can you publish this recorded Live Meeting for us to share with those that could not make it? THX
Answer: It will be published on thirdtier.net/blog look for a post about it
Question: Will Jeff change his site to SBSMogrification.com ?
Answer: :) I love it. hmmm
Question: ok cause amy said dns dhcp was not installed by default
Answer: It is not installed by default.
Question: Susan – The Minasi Forum says HELLO!!
Answer: Hello Minasi Forum
Question: If it’s not to heretical to ask, does the licensing allow running VM’s on VMware rather than Hyper-V?
Answer: Yes you are allowed
Question: ESXIi 5.x is absolutly free … Just HyperV is not the only free solution. I have been runnng ESI since 2.x and MS virtulalization is just not up to par. I have all of our SBS 20XX boxes running on ESXi 4 and 5.
Question: ok so this is not making sense to me.
Question: Question asked, Please answer that Jeff has already announce the partner portal for SBSmigration.com is ITproExperts.com coming to an internet URL near you.
Answer: I like SBStranmorg ;-)
Question: so for 25-50 users you think this is a good fit including for on premis exchange?
Question: coke or pepsi .. chevy or ford … hyper-v or esx … I have my favorite in all three of those…
Answer: Or Mountain Dew :-) (Susan)
Question: To the audience – Seriously, you really need to look at Hyper-V. Far more cost effective than VMWare. And like they are saying, the days of putting small servers out is just not effective anymore.
Answer: Yup (Susan)
Question: Could you guys review, super fast, why MS is dropping SBS? I missed that part. I’m sorry.
Answer: simplifying product lines, eliminating the all in one box that is the source of many problems
Question: or email@example.com
Question: I will argue all day long that Hyper-V is cheaper…
Question: Any good P2V (free conversion tools?) for moving to HyperV?
Answer: disk2vhd from microsoft systernals, used it just a few hours ago
Question: So, with SBS 11 on SA, you get 2 copies of W2012 and Exchange 10, do you still have to purchase Essentials if you want your customer to have that “console”.
Answer: Send that feedback in to Steve and Kevin.turner
Question: did you already send Steve and Kevin links to your SBS Diva blog post about this and the SBS Blog post about this, with over 77 comments so far?
Answer: I will be :-)
Question: Is Essentials 2012 available for download yet? Beta?
Answer: Hang loose we’re really close
Question: Big POINT – has anyone ever tried to migrate from SBS after they reach the 75 user limit? There is NO cost effective way to do that. Better off to start with Essentials and Exchange Standard and pay a little more up front than go over that big hump at the end.
Question: for clarity, is essentials 2012 officially supported in hyper-v (sounded like it works but not supported)
Answer: It IS supported in HyperV it just can’t be a parent in HyperV
Question: Could you share at final of the webinar the presentation you showed please? How ca I get it?
Question: so if 2012 server ess is not a dc out of the box and it wants to be the first, is there anyway to add it to an existing domain, without doing some kind of swing?
Answer: it is a DC out of the box. Like SBS it has to be a DC, it can be added to an existing domain just like SBS does now
Question: What the feeling on using hosted exchange
Answer: I would have added a button to hook in hosted Exchange
Question: there is a big issue with office 365 and exchange off-site in other countries too, many don’t have broadband speeds / reliability anywhere near what we have!
Answer: Yup along with public folder issues
Question: thanks for the comments Dave!
Answer: Yup thanks Dave!
Question: Release date?
Answer: don’t know yet
Question: Can we please kill the background crap? I would like to hear.
Answer: good idea
Question: Does Esssentials need to have all the FSMO roles?
Answer: Yes same as SBS does now
Question: let me know when i can speak
Answer: talk away please join in
Question: Has anybody heard anything about a storage server 2012 or is that not a product they are making or that we know about yet?
Answer: WSSE will be sold until 2025 but it’s the last of it’s kind
Question: shout out #3 for gramps
Question: Do you have compared the prices of a SBS 201 with 10 or 20 CALS with the price model of Win2012E going forward once you add Exchange not to speak about the additional hardware or virtualization layer that needs to be managed? If I am right it means a 150% price increase or there about. Am I off here?
Answer: I know send feedback to steveb@ and let him know we need a sbs pricing bundle
Question: Could you clarify once more what circumstances you would use Standard instead of Essentials. My audio was bad during that explanation
Answer: Essentials is a great SBS console replacment, but you’ll want to use standard for anything like SQL server or exchange server deployments, including many LOB apps
Question: storage sever is dead how rude with the kid.
Answer: Google app generation :-)
Question: Storage server essentials works very well. The Western Digital version is not one I would recommend
Question: Where can we access the recording of this meeting?
Question: Someone has found someone who can talk over Jeff. ;-)
Question: For non-US customers, there are concerns with parking info such as mail on servers subject to the provisions of the Homeland Security laws of the US. When deploying Office 365 does anyone know if you can pick where your customer’s data lives?
Answer: I’m not aware of it at this time, it’s one of the reasons people have concerns
Question: darn … transmogrification.com is already taken…
Question: In some respects I think the standardization of SBS by MS is good but my concern is the cost differential between a SBS2011 solution vs. an Essentials+Std+Exchange+CALS. It will be like 4x the cost to get what we had with 2011 which will surely cause issues for those clients who want on premises but are not 25+ size – comments???
Answer: Send feedback to steveb@ about the pricing issue
Question: live meeting can’t mute everyone?
Answer: we’re geeks obviously not :-)
Question: thanks for the comments jeff
Question: I can’t imagine a customer wanting to upgrade from SBS 2011 Essentials, but do you know if there will be an upgrade from SBS 2011 Essentials to Server 2012 Essentials? Thanks.
Question: i am humbled by live meeting
Answer: aren’t we all
Question: Is anyone paying attention to the Novell SBS offering, now called Workgroup?
Answer: I have not.
Question: Has anyone mentioned a third-party alternative to Remote Web Access?
Answer: RDgateway with RDcals directly, install RD web access, but yeah if you don’t have RWA there’s less wiz’s
Question: Would there be a transition/migration of SBS 2003/2008/2011 to Essentials 2012 or is it a rebuild?
Answer: yes there will be a migration path
Question: is WS2012 Essentials based on the WIndows Home Server kernel (like SBS 2011 essentials)?
Answer: it is based on the server 2012 kernel
Question: cAN I ADDRESS THE MIGRATION QUESTION?
Answer: Jeff is talking about migratio now
Question: I assume that Windows Server 2012 Essentials will NOT include Remote Web Access — has this been confirmed?
Answer: It doest include this feature.
Question: Thank the MVPs for pushing the issue of getting past 75 to unlimited.
Question: did someone say Novell?
Question: Amy, any idea when you will be launching your seminars as listed earlier?
Answer: Keep an eye on the blog, I suspect not until end of summer. www.thirdtier.net/blog
Answer: Linux for what?
Question: No RWA with S12E?
Answer: Yes RWA, sorry I think I miss typed before
Question: As small business consultants – I think we are being forced to accept cloud. Even accepting non Microsoft products??
Answer: The barn door has been opened, that can’t be denied.
Question: Jeff, the name of the new website is ITPRO.COM? Is it up and running?
Question: What are the other vendors that USED to have Suites going to do when they realize that a GIANT hole has been opened in the SMB space?
Answer: Not sure, yet.
Question: if i may have the floor again
Answer: Yes certainly
Question: Is there an RSS feed for the thirdtier blog? I can’t find it…
Question: does the integrated management experience in the WS12 Essentials dashboard apply to an on-premise sharepoint (foundation or full)?
Answer: No only Exchange.
Question: do you have more details about clients with SA and their CAL’s?
Answer: No more details than what was already mentioned.
Question: How do we get RDA or RWA ?
Answer: install essentials, it’ll be included
Question: :-) Thanks!
Question: How about a community contest to come up with an acronym that we can use to describe the product. That way Susan doesn’t have to append “dammit” every time she says Small Business Server….
Question: what was the other email address?
Answer: firstname.lastname@example.org Kevin Beares
Question: Many of my clients like LogMeIn more than RWA.
Answer: Some do. Some don’t.
Question: Any way to build the rdgateway to internal workstations from scratch?
Answer: yes, it’s built in with server 2008, but it requires CALs
Question: I’m on the call, but cannot get my microphone to work
Question: kevin is on this call – so he is listening.
Question: Since 2012 Essentials will be built on the 2012 core – any chance that the Dashboard will be available at some point to be installed on a 2012 Standard machine?
Answer: doubtfull, at least on 2012…
Question: What they need to do is actually start talking to REAL small partners again. Not these huge partners like HTG that Microsoft considers “small business.”
Answer: I have given that message at every opportunity
Question: is there a number to dial in? Audio not working for me
Answer: no, sorry
Question: Be nice if they could include Business critical phone support in SBS silver Comptency..then we would actually have support!
Answer: Yes, a glaring ommissions for sure
Question: Has anyone suggested to MS to sell the RWA code set as a product for the entire 2012 line?
Answer: An interesting idea. MVP’s have suggested it for years.
Question: Thank you ALL for taking time to discuss these upcoming changes!
Question: Comment: Biggest cloud problem….. Single point of failure for our clients…even in a major US city. Only two choices in broadband and neither is that reliable.
Answer: There is always a single point of failure. It just depends on where you are comfortable putting it.
Question: Could someone please elaborate on Remote Web Access? is the WinServer2012 Essentials RDGateway different from the regular WinServer2008R2/2012 RDGateway?
Answer: no, exact same rdgateway service on the backend, but the web interface will be custom to essentials
Question: While there is a lull, a HUGE thank you to the organizers for doing this. Your commitment to the community is humbling.
Question: What does Essentials 2012l bring that is unique? Other than the cost and user limit of course.
Answer: client backup, integrated management of Exchange and Office 365, management console for users.
Question: As a non-MVP, I would like to thank you guys for all you have done for the community over the past 15 years. Looking forward to the community continuing and thriving, even without a specific product (SBS) to rally around.
Question: Will Steve and Kevin T actually read e-mails we send to them? (I know Kevin B. does) :)
Answer: They say that they do.
Question: I’m not scared of the cloud – I’m scared of the contracts where the cloud providers won’t accept blame for any problems…
Answer: I am afraid of that too. Actually MS is the only cloud vendor that I have seen that does accept responsibility for your data.
Question: Thanks so much guys. Must go!
Question: let me mention what the tour found out about on prem preferences
Answer: sure, will call on you again
Question: this is what I hate. You caNNOT TURN ON THE WEBSITE WITHOUT DOING A DOMAIN NAME FIRST. So you have to do microsoft first to turn it on. Then you can manually install your godaddy cert and change the bindings
Answer: The wizard does seem restrictive to me as well.
Question: so, did he say that we can recreate the “rww” functionality on Win Server 2012, but we have to add CALs ?
Answer: For the most part yes
Question: Microsoft will set the Standard for all other vendors to drop SMB model pricing, NO?
Answer: That’s certainly a worry.
Question: the announcement of SBS demise along with the announcement of Office 365 better reseller relationship makes me a little (repeat – a little) more comfortable
Answer: Yes good news coming from WPC this week.
Question: Also a big thank you to all the MVP’s, Susan, Amy, Jeff et al. Your direct help, blog’s etc. have been invaluable over the years!!
Question: Isn’t the RD Gateway CAL needed for RemoteApp?
Question: Will GoDaddy SSL’s be seemless to install oppose to 2011 SBS and Essentials?
Answer: The wizard hasn’t changed much.
Question: iTap to a win8 box is useless :) It is very difficult on the metro screen
Question: But about have to import the intermediate certificate first? Still the same?
Answer: Yes still the same.
Question: Godaddy is seamless if you use the wizzards to purchase your certs. You may already own the domain though
Question: Check out SplashTop, if you dont like iTap for Win8
Question: Do we know if there will be future versions of Essential Server or might this be the last version of Essentials?
Answer: We don’t know.
Question: I can get applause at any conference by complaining aboout MS licensing<g>
Answer: :) never simple, like the US tax code.
Question: The opinions they get are from HUGE tech companies now, not small 1 or 2 person shops like many of us are.
Answer: Make your voice heard.
Question: this isn’t cold turkey, this has lead time offered
Answer: I’m calling on you shortly
Question: If you transmog essentials for a client that has grown beyond 25 or needs more local premise applications is there a transition to demote and remove essentials so you are on full versions of everything? This would allow you to move FSMO roles anywhere you want for example.
Answer: It has to be a DC with the FSMO roles.
Question: So are you saying that MS is choosing to abandon one set of current clientele in favor of a clientele they want to attract (but don’t actually have yet)?
Answer: We wonder what they are thinking.
Question: Thank you for the comments on pricing on larger installations. It needs to be noted because it hurts. Especially with the higher SQL Server CAL price.
Answer: Please make your voice heard. Send an email
Question: Before we go through the time and work of converting clients to Essentials, we really need a commitment from MS that this is not a dead end.
Answer: Please make your voice heard. Send an email.
Question: What is the cost to transmog?
Answer: The cost of cals. No hard numbers yet.
Question: So, Remote Web Access *IS* included in WinServer2012 Esentials!!
Question: It’s not just the cost of software/hardware, in order for small businesses to use the cloud effectively, costs of internet connections (where appropriate connections are available) will skyrocket. Not only that, but some areas even with faster connections have exceptionally limited caps per month. I’m in Canada, and it’s getting more and more difficult to get a connection with a cap over 200gb, and it’s $2.50/gb over, with that, the cloud is a very scary place.
Answer: Yup you got it (Susan)
Question: If a Win8 tablet with touch would seamlessly integrate through RD Gateway to a Win8 or Win7 client through Essentials, it would be a big win. Huge win actually, allowing corp types to have the full experience without odd finger jestures needed with iTap or GoToMyPC.
Answer: I”m hopeful for Surface.
Question: the discussion is about SBS, but what about the other products discussed in the MVP Tour? Any news about those (Storage Server Essentials, Multiport, etc)?
Answer: Multipoint is alive and well – beta coming
Question: james what is your math on $300 per month to office 365?
Question: How can small business owners complain about Office 365 pricing — $4/user/month for Exchange Online with the need for only one bundled E-Plan?
Answer: Some people don’t like monthly payments period.
Question: SQL Express with Mgmt tools can do quite a bit too if you just need a small database. FREE
Answer: Yes it does.
Question: does the client backup feature let you pick off-server storage locations to actually store the images? if not, any ideas for use when Essentials is virtualized? I obviously can’t store my workstation images inside my VHD…
Answer: There’s a cloud backup option for the server, you can add an additional drive/vhd for the backups
Question: License pricing for Hosted Exchange only is now just $4 per user. Does not include Sharepoint or Lync.
Question: Note the tablet button, – they are designing this for tablet pcs as well
Answer: Note from Susan
Question: I made that price up. I have played with the price thing for O365 but can’t remember the actual number I got.
Answer: Got it
Question: the comparable plan for office 365 is $8/month
Question: Google this to find the PDF that compares all of the pricing. “exchange online and office 365 feature comparison”
Question: essentials must see the folder as local and not usb to use the move folder wizzard. I have no clue, if ISCSI in a VM shows as local, you could do tha
Answer: iSCSI will show as local
Question: so for a virtualized Essentials server, the answer for client backup is add another VHD or cross my fingers with USB passthrough? how about NAS( or other on-premise network storage)?
Answer: Maybe you don’t virtualize Essentials? But virtualize the rest.
Question: When do you think that MS or our favorite MVPs might have an SBS 03 and SBS 08/11 migration doc to Essentials 2012 with W12 and Exchg 10/12 all running under a W12 host?
Answer: We have pressed that they have this information available close the what ever the release date is.
Question: You can mount a VHD(X) from a network location on the host – this will be seen as local disk inside the Guest VM. just another reason to virtualize your Essentials installation
Answer: Windows 2012 does open up new possibilities for disk access. But the storage spaces does have some limitations.
Question: The cost of new business enrty has dropped – a Server and 25 users for less than $1,500. That is a deal
Answer: agreed, but that doesn’t include exchange, sharepoint or sql. those need to be added as needed
Question: WSUS is not part of the WS2012E ,mix is InTune the reccomended replacement?
Answer: you can install WSUS, but it’s not included out of the box
Question: If my microphone works, I’ll comment on what to do for startups . . .
Question: So Essentials 2012 isn’t given any virtualization rights, but for a client that has 20 users that wants to run an on-perm exchange, can you stand up another exchange to run with it? or do you need to transmog the server first? or can one stand it up on the same server with another virtualization sotware?
Answer: buy a single standard license, install that as the base OS, install essentials as a virtual machine, install a 2nd VM with exchange, no transmog necessary for 20 users
Question: is sql express gone too?
Answer: I don’t think so.
Question: why not use the seamless out of the box integration of the GloStream EMR package?
Answer: There are many EMR packages.
Question: again it must see it as a local drive and not USB. The wizard will not let you move a folder to a usb drive
Question: SQl express 2012 http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=29062
Answer: sql 2012
Question: We can use remote mamagement tools to do updaes and patches. 25 user exchange is 250 per month. (9,000 over three years) Many small clients do not use sharepoint.
Answer: I would say they should be using Sharepoint but to each their own.
Question: This is Jim, microphone not working. Sorry.
Question: You are right about the sharepoint usage, they should.
Question: where are you getting $250/month for 25 users on Exchange online? It’s $100/month.
Question: what methodology is intended for client update/patch without WSUS
Answer: download install wsus yourself, it’s supported just not included out of the box :)
Question: While on line I looke at Rackspace, $10.00 per user, per month
Question: Thank you to all organizers!
Question: Any chance this type of event could be done on a regular, but time limited basis?
Answer: planning on it